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Dude, Dude, Dude Lookin’ Out My Back Door

December 8, 2009

This question about Christianity has been bothering me for a while:  Generally, Christians who believe that abortion is murder also believe that the aborted fetuses automatically go to heaven.  This puts the fetuses in the minority of people who have existed; there is New Testament imagery of a narrow road that leads to eternal life and salvation and a wide- and by implication better-traveled- path leading to death and hell.  Since the eternal perfection of heaven is available to 100% of aborted fetuses and <50% of people who exit the womb intact, isn’t abortion the most merciful act possible?  It’s like heaven’s unlocked back door!

Note: The title of this post was supposed to be Knockin’ on Heaven’s (Back) Door, but dude: Creedence.

5 Comments leave one →
  1. Jonathan permalink
    December 8, 2009 8:06 pm

    You know, the argument that fetuses are alive is simply not supported by the bible. Verses 22 – 25 of the following chapter seems to say that if you are fighting with someone and you accidentally punch a pregnant woman and she miscarries, you pay a fine. But if the woman dies, you get the death penalty.

    The five books of Moses are clear in many places that the law applies equally to all. This concept is one of the great moral imperatives that the books introduced into Western culture. So… if a fetus is alive, how come destroying one is only punished by a fine?

    I would also point out that abortion is kosher according to the talmud. I found this article an interesting read:

  2. December 8, 2009 9:44 pm

    Oh, but they won’t respond to logic, no sir.

    I’ve also heard of people that say that those that did not ever know about Christianity automatically go to heaven if they did good works. We should just get rid of Christianity, then we’d all go to heaven. Yippee!

    Eh, who am I fooling, hell’s better. All the cool deistic and atheistic scientists (most of them) live there.

  3. Barry permalink*
    December 8, 2009 10:49 pm

    Jonathan, I knew the Torah passage you cited, but didn’t know the Talmudic reference. Very interesting. Good thing I limited my argument to Christians (not to say I don’t have a million gripes re Judaism.) I am glad not to have to backtrack.

  4. Jonathan permalink
    December 9, 2009 2:13 am

    You know Korbie, the Carnegie Mellon article seems very logical to me. It is just another paradigm, just another way of looking at the world. It is very easy to criticize other people’s paradigms. It is much more difficult to try to understand where other people are coming from.

    Anyway, I have often thought that one of the problems with abortion in this country is that there are no medical ethical guidelines outlining when it can be administered. There are many people who will never support abortion rights no matter what, but there are many more on the fence, and I think a set of medical ethical guidelines would help sway them to the pro-choice side.

    While I am pro-choice, I still feel that the pro-choice arguments being presented by the left do not represent real-world situations, but are rather based on an abstract social-libertarian philosophy.

    As an example of a real world situation, I present you with this woman:,0,7832320.story

    I would love to hear an argument justifying her actions, and presenting her as anything but a victim. She is a victim of many different circumstances, one of these circumstances being a lack of medical ethical guidelines. I mean, how could a doctor look at her record and still give her an abortion?

  5. Jonathan permalink
    December 9, 2009 2:24 am

    I would add to the above that what the woman really needed was some sort of counseling. I’m not saying she should have been turned away at the door of the clinic, but someone should have looked at her records and seen a warning sign, and maybe have recommended counseling. She could have been saved from her abusive husband, as well as a great deal of pain.

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